keep your friends close but your enemies closer
Published on March 10, 2017 By Anthony R In Current Events

If Republicans manage to find a way to screw up healthcare they will be damaged for decades to come... although, Democrats are already damaged for decades to come, so that may give may give Republicans wiggle room.


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on Mar 11, 2017


If Republicans manage to find a way to screw up healthcare they will be damaged for decades to come... although, Democrats are already damaged for decades to come, so that may give may give Republicans wiggle room.

 

Meanwhile 20-30 million people will be without health insurance and many will die. So it's all worth it.

on Mar 12, 2017

Borg999

Meanwhile 20-30 million people will be without health insurance and many will die. So it's all worth it.
I guess thats why Repubs are suddenly squeamish about full repeal. They know the news media would descend like locusts on any scenario to be seen as a person dying from the loss of Obamacare and would beat a drum, but when Obama bombs a hospital in Afghanistan murdering doctors and incinerating patients in their beds the news media does anything they can to divert any attention. So its a heavy lift in the land of double standard.

on Mar 12, 2017

Anthony R


Quoting Borg999,

Meanwhile 20-30 million people will be without health insurance and many will die. So it's all worth it.

I guess that's why Repubs are suddenly squeamish about full repeal. They know the news media would descend like locusts on any scenario to be seen as a person dying from the loss of Obamacare and would beat a drum, but when Obama bombs a hospital in Afghanistan murdering doctors and incinerating patients in their beds the news media does anything they can to divert any attention. So its a heavy lift in the land of double standard.

 

So two wrongs make a right?.... Besides, Obama is history. It's time to look ahead.

on Mar 12, 2017

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/9/1641716/-Grandson-of-Robert-F-Kennedy-on-ACA-repeal-This-is-not-an-act-of-mercy-it-is-an-act-of-malice

“I was struck last night by a comment that I heard made by Speaker Ryan, where he called this repeal bill ‘an act of mercy.’ With all due respect to our speaker, he and I must have read different Scripture,” Kennedy said as the House Energy and Commerce Committee dove into the details of the GOP effort … The one I read calls on us to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to shelter the homeless, and to comfort the sick.”

 

 

on Mar 12, 2017

Borg999

So two wrongs make a right?.
I can't speak for other people... my point was pretty clear. The media will magnify the smallest details of a Republican action, while trying to coverup actions of a Democrat.

on Mar 12, 2017

Just one of the many reasons people don't trust conventional media - they know the dishonesty of the playbook now.

For what it's worth, DailyKos is all-virtue-signalling, all-ad-hominen, all-appeal-to-authority, all-the-time.  YMMV

on Mar 12, 2017

If the Ryan bill ends up being all there is, it's a sick joke of a jokey sickness.  I'm not sure it will pass the House, actually; worrying about overcoming a Senate filibuster is pointless.

on Mar 12, 2017

Daiwa

If the Ryan bill ends up being all there is, it's a sick joke of a jokey sickness.
Most of the leaders are signaling weakness by simply amending Obamacare, and lets be honest, that's really what they are doing, but conservatives have a serious upper hand to change it into a much different law, given that Democrats have decided to render themselves even more irrelevant than they already are by not participating in the reforms, or getting in the debate in any meaningful fashion.

on Mar 12, 2017

The extent of the Dem's 'participation' is/will be to vote NO on whatever shows up.  Their votes are already cast, in fact - you can bank on it.  With the possible exception of Manchin.  Which is the problem in the Senate - Republicans can't use reconciliation to toast the whole enchilada because they can't get to 60 votes the way the Dems did to pass the damn thing. 

on Mar 12, 2017

Hmm.  A possible way forward.

on Mar 13, 2017

Yes, from what I read they also have enough votes to totally scrap the (KKK) Byrd rule regarding reconciliation. Whatever they need to do they probably should. Trump ran on it and they should find a way to do it.

on Mar 13, 2017

I know people who work and make good money and lost their healthcare last year because the
price of insurance has become ridiculous and unaffordable.
If I were in congress I would do what the President wants to do
and let the chips fall where they may.
If after time the new plan doesn't work we could try something else.
I say give The President a chance.

on Mar 19, 2017

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-obamacare-is-not-in-a-death-spiral/

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/02/news/economy/repealing-obamacare-health-insurance/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2017/03/18/ditch-obamacare-and-don-stop-that/lgoerIhuR7TjXtq8yngkLO/story.html

I think those who want a full repeal of the ACA forget that healthcare cost prior to the ACA were very high, and increased by double digits annually. Reverting healthcare back to the way it was is not the solution. It's clear from history that the free market model for health insurance does not lower or contain costs. Also, another thing some people forget is that "choice" (Paul Ryan) is irrelevant if you can't afford the thing you want to choose.

The biggest mistake that Obama made was not to get bipartisan support from the beginning. That's the true reason why Republicans opposed it - because they didn't get a say in it. Had they been included, the ACA wouldn't have been so maligned - even with the individual mandate and the added regs. Let's not forget that the fundamental principles of the ACA were originally a Conservative idea.

on Mar 19, 2017

Borg999

It's clear from history that the free market model for health insurance does not lower or contain costs.

I would argue that 'the free market model' for health insurance has never been implemented.  Furthermore, before 2010, my small business could purchase health insurance for its employees.  A market for that existed.  We can't buy it now at any price.

Also, another thing some people forget is that "choice" (Paul Ryan) is irrelevant if you can't afford the thing you want to choose.

Also, another thing some people forget is that "choice" (Paul Ryan) Obamacare is irrelevant if you can't afford the thing you want to choose are forced to buy.  FIFY

The biggest mistake that Obama made was not to get bipartisan support from the beginning.

Well, DUH.  But giving the finger to the minority & telling them to shove it was widely praised, even hailed as 'on the right side of history' and 'brave' at the time.  "I won."

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