keep your friends close but your enemies closer
Published on March 10, 2017 By Anthony R In Current Events

If Republicans manage to find a way to screw up healthcare they will be damaged for decades to come... although, Democrats are already damaged for decades to come, so that may give may give Republicans wiggle room.


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on Mar 19, 2017



Quoting Borg999,

I would argue that 'the free market model' for health insurance has never been implemented.  Furthermore, before 2010, my small business could purchase health insurance for its employees.  A market for that existed.  We can't buy it now at any price.


Well, DUH.  But giving the finger to the minority & telling them to shove it was widely praised, even hailed as 'on the right side of history' and 'brave' at the time.  "I won."

If the pure free market model existed (a zero regulation environment), almost no one except perfectly healthy 20 years could afford health insurance. 

I don't remember those arguments being used at the time, but nonetheless, two wrongs don't make a right. Instead of opposing anything and everything related to the ACA as a way to get back at Obama, the Republicans should have worked in a bi-partisan manner to make improvements to it. Their priority should be to do what's best for their constituents, not what's best to bandage their hurt egos. 

on Mar 19, 2017

Borg999

If the pure free market model existed (a zero regulation environment), almost no one except perfectly healthy 20 years could afford health insurance.

An assumption about a straw man - talk about two wrongs not making a right.

Did I say 'pure'?  Or 'zero regulation environment'?  When I was a young buck, all I wanted (or needed) was catastrophic coverage for the SMOD or unexpected incapacitating illness, a thing called Major Medical back in the day.  And I could buy it, at an affordable cost, because a market existed for it, even though 'regulated'.  The demand side of that market didn't go away, but the supply side was inexorably 'regulated' out of existence.  The 'regulatory ratchet' is a thing.  Suppliers can meet the need/demand only if allowed to.  Regulatory requirements as to reserves and re-insurance, aimed at minimizing the risk of insolvency, are good things, but they should stop pretty much there.

Instead of opposing anything and everything related to the ACA as a way to get back at Obama...

Instead of opposing anything and everything related to the ACA as a way to get back at Obama in an effort to prevent or mitigate the damage that Obamacare would inevitably do... (known once we had a chance to read it, after it was passed).

FIFY again.  I consider undoing a 'wrong' a 'right'.

on Mar 19, 2017



Quoting Borg999,

If the pure free market model existed (a zero regulation environment), almost no one except perfectly healthy 20 years could afford health insurance.



An assumption about a straw man - talk about two wrongs not making a right.

Did I say 'pure'?  Or 'zero regulation environment'?  When I was a young buck, all I wanted (or needed) was catastrophic coverage for the SMOD or unexpected incapacitating illness, a thing called Major Medical back in the day.  And I could buy it, at an affordable cost, because a market existed for it, even though 'regulated'.  The demand side of that market didn't go away, but the supply side was inexorably 'regulated' out of existence.  The 'regulatory ratchet' is a thing.  Suppliers can meet the need/demand only if allowed to.  Regulatory requirements as to reserves and re-insurance, aimed at minimizing the risk of insolvency, are good things, but they should stop pretty much there.


Instead of opposing anything and everything related to the ACA as a way to get back at Obama...



Instead of opposing anything and everything related to the ACA as a way to get back at Obama in an effort to prevent or mitigate the damage that Obamacare would inevitably do... (known once we had a chance to read it, after it was passed).

FIFY again.  I consider undoing a 'wrong' a 'right'.

Oh, I agree. Here in my neck of the woods, there is only one insurance provider, so the ACA failed miserably in that regard. But I'm talking about the underlying good such a program can potentially bring. That's why I don't have a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" perspective.

There is a vocal neo-Libertarian contingent on the SD boards, so I made a bad assumption re: your view on regulation. Sorry about that.

on Mar 19, 2017

Borg999

Sorry about that.

No worries.  I've enjoyed the conversation.

on Mar 24, 2017

The republicans are working on single payer health care
and a tax increase.
You can thank them when it happens.

on Mar 24, 2017

What a disaster. Can't blame House Republicans for not voting for it. The only thing that seems like good news is that Trump and Ryan relented and pulled the bill rather than force and bribe members to walk the plank and vote as Pelosi and Obama did during the passage of failed and disastrous Obamacare.

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