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Herr Grahmesty and Schumer want it now
Published on March 11, 2010 By Anthony R In Politics

Senators Chuck U Schumer and Lindsay Grahmnesty have begun a new push for a National ID Card. This is really disturbing to me on so many levels. Its like 1939 Nazi Germany where everyone has to show their papers or something. Our freedoms are being stripped from us by authoritarians on both sides of the isle and its dangerous. When I first read Orwell's Nineteen-Eighty Four as a kid I thought it was a far fetched work of fiction, if we all need to start carrying and presenting national ID cards to buy/sell/work/pass or exist, then the book was actually rather prophetic.


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on Mar 11, 2010

Here in Ireland, like in Britain, there is a strong movement against the introduction of national id cards.

So instead banks etc. simply ask everyone for their passport.

Since I didn't want to carry a passport around all the time, I finally got a German id card that I use instead.

I don't know what Orwell said about id cards specifically.

 

on Mar 11, 2010

Gotta love how the few seem to think they know whats best for the many.

on Mar 11, 2010

I don't know what Orwell said about id cards specifically.

Not so much what he said as what they represented.  ID Cards are passe' anyway. We will all be microchipped before long.  Pets already are.

on Mar 11, 2010

 

I don't know what Orwell said about id cards specifically.

I don't think he did, I was referring to the whole "big brother" idea in general. I thought it was relevant. I guess a guy who cites hyper-partisan websites to prop up his flavor of the month beliefs will find something amusing about trying to embarrass me by elaborately insinuating that I never read the book. Is it possible that I viewed the movie then?

on Mar 11, 2010

Not so much what he said as what they represented.  ID Cards are passe' anyway. We will all be microchipped before long.  Pets already are.

I haven't met anyone who didn't voluntarily carry a mobile phone in a long time.

 

on Mar 11, 2010

I don't think he did, I was referring to the whole "big brother" idea in general. I thought it was relevant. I guess a guy who cites hyper-partisan websites to prop up his flavor of the month beliefs will find something amusing about trying to embarrass me by elaborately insinuating that I never read the book. Is it possible that I viewed the movie then?

What's the matter with you?

For everybody else: I wrote about 1984 here: http://web.mac.com/ajbrehm/Home/Blog/Entries/2007/2/28_School_Readings.html

on Mar 11, 2010

Dr Guy
I don't know what Orwell said about id cards specifically.
Not so much what he said as what they represented.  ID Cards are passe' anyway. We will all be microchipped before long.  Pets already are.

Yeah I think the ID card is pretty much already a done deal, kind of like Social Security cards, though the switch from ID cards to microchips could be a long way off yet.

on Mar 11, 2010

I have mixed feelings about it. If you show it to get a job then throw it in a drawer at home (like your Social Security card), then I not a big deal to me. We have to get illegal workers under control, and lets face it a fence is meaningless unless you space out a few machine guns along its perimeter.

That said, if it morphs into something more, like the social security number did (it's original ONLY function was to be your SS account number, not a means of identification) I am opposed to it. The problem has been, and will always be, that good intentions are often mutated into something else. So I'll be very interested in how this will be presented so that it will not infringe on citizens and legal resident's privacy, and if it can be made viable for ONLY the purpose they are trying to sell us. Plenty of other things need to go with it, like removal of current"anchor" baby provisions and serious fines for businesses and individuals that hire undocumented workers.

And to show I have a kind heart and don't want to break up families, deport all of them in order to keep them together.

on Mar 11, 2010

Leauki
I haven't met anyone who didn't voluntarily carry a mobile phone in a long time.

Mostly true - but phones just indicate where you are, not everything else about you.

Leauki
For everybody else: I wrote about 1984 here: http://web.mac.com/ajbrehm/Home/Blog/Entries/2007/2/28_School_Readings.html

I had to read both (1984 and Farenheit 451) as well as Cat's Cradle and Animal Farm (of those, I liked Animal Farm the best, and it perhaps shaped my conservatism).  To this day when I hear Napoleon, I do not think of Bonaparte, but of the pig.

Audiafox
Yeah I think the ID card is pretty much already a done deal, kind of like Social Security cards, though the switch from ID cards to microchips could be a long way off yet.

The irony is that if you read the original SS act (that has not been modified or over-ridden), the law explicitly states that no one can require you to produce or tell them your SS number, including other agencies of the Feds.  Try to get around today without divulging it! hahaha

on Mar 11, 2010

I haven't met anyone who didn't voluntarily carry a mobile phone in a long time.

Consider that changed!  I don't carry a phone with me most of the time.  My husband and I share one mobile phone that we use mostly on trips.  We have a very basic plan (300 minutes) and he takes it to work with him so people back home can call him if they need to. 

The prophetic book I most pay attention to is the bible (big surprise right?)  and it's clear that a one world order is coming and that no one will be able to buy or sell without some number.  Just a matter of when not if.  Our national accounting system is already gearing for this reality.  It was supposed to happen next year but now has been pushed up to 2015 although some are still trying to get it sooner. 

on Mar 11, 2010

The prophetic book I most pay attention to is the bible (big surprise right?)

You forgot to quote Revelations:

"so that no one can buy or to sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name"

on Mar 11, 2010

"so that no one can buy or to sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name"

Do I hear a little Iron Maiden playing in the background???

on Mar 11, 2010

Good Job Anthony!  

but you forgot to quote the source completely.  It's found in 13:17. 

on Mar 11, 2010

The prophetic book I most pay attention to is the bible (big surprise right?) and it's clear that a one world order is coming and that no one will be able to buy or sell without some number.

May I know where you take that delusion?

Seriously. The only element where "one world order" is mentionned is the millenia of peace between the two armaggedons. And it seems it mentions not a single world governement but a new order of things in the world.

This is about as stretched as the one calling Obama (or Hillary) the Antichrist..

on Mar 12, 2010

but you forgot to quote the source completely. It's found in 13:17.

Haha thanks well your the resident theologian here so you'll have to watch out for these types ofthings. I've always liked the parts of the bible that dealt with the antichrist, like Revelations, Corinthians, and Thessalonians.