keep your friends close but your enemies closer
Published on January 8, 2011 By Anthony R In Current Events

I was just getting all revved up to watch the wild card playoffs when this horrific News of a shooting came across the wire. I'm not all that familiar with Gabrielle Giffords, but it seems like shes a good old fashioned Democrat and an all around good lady. Reports say she was hit point blank in the head. Now reports that she has died. This is a sad day. I hope they give this cowardly killer a swift trip to the electric chair.


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on Jan 11, 2011

The full context of his remarks (emphasis mine):

Roger Ailes: They knew about this guy (Jared Lee Loughner). The education system knew about this guy...they kicked him out of school and told him until he gets a letter saying he’s not going to kill anybody, he can’t come back to school. The police department picked him up five times and let him go and nobody screened him for getting a weapon...So, by the time he decided to go to a mall and and wanting to kill somebody, he was attached to nobody. He was a flag burner. He just was not attached to the Tea Party. 

It’s just a bullshit way to use the death of a little girl to get Fox News in an argument.

Russell Simmons: One thing I am sick of...I really want to see the people govern this country. And I want to see the people on the Right’s voice be respected, and the people on the Left's voice be respected-

Roger Ailes: That’s what should happen. You know, they’re using this thing...apparently there was a map from one of Palin’s things that had her (Congresswoman Giffords) targeted district. So, we looked at the internet and the first thing we found in 2007, the Democrat Party had a targeted map with targets on it for the Palin district. These maps have been used for for years that I know of. I have two pictures of myself with a bull's-eye on my head. This is just bullshit. This goes on... both sides are wrong, but they both do it.

I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually. You don’t have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that.

Listen, I have a picture of Sarah Palin hanging from the end of a rope. They made a doll up like her and hung her.

In no way does that imply he agrees with the MSM narrative.  He was just telling 'his guys' to avoid taking the bait.

on Jan 11, 2011

left-wing extremists said horrible things about Bush, but they only came from fringe people

Oh no. Bush got bashed by more than just the fringe. Some criticism was warranted but a lot wasn't.

 

Roger Ailes as much as admitted that people on his network have been going too far.

No he did the right thing on this one. He said lower the rhetoric a bit and use more intelligence in their debate. Hopefully the others follow suit.

on Jan 11, 2011

Was surfing the web checking out the temperature of stuff and I'm astonished to find liberals still clinging to the notion that 'right wing vitriol' or 'a climate of right wing hate' is somehow responsible for this tragedy. They are about as ginned up as I've ever seen them with this belief. I guess its ok for them to have their beliefs no matter how fantastic or ridiculous, but a child was murdered there, so it is rather detestable for them to continue carrying on like this attempting to blame the American right. Its a tremendous insult.

on Jan 11, 2011

Smoothseas
Of course not. I'm not the one who said :


trumpeting accusations of accessory to murder
So really now who is being disingenuous?

If you're talking about Robert Brady that is just one individual with a knee-jerk idea.  Do you really think something that isn't inline with current precedent regarding the legal definition of assault or aggravated assault (and the amount of evidence required to prove intent) will pass judicial muster or even congressional muster? Maybe I'm just not as paranoid or maybe I believe that in the end the court system will let freedom of speech reign and you don't. I don't know why you feel threatened by this type of thing and I don't.

You are technically correct they are not arresting them TODAY.  However, the laws being proposed and the restrictions being proposed would allow the arrests and we are not only talking about Brady - but Clyburn.  That is how you are being disingenuous.

As for passing congressional muster - Obamacare did - where a precedent is trying to be set to penalize people for NOT participating in interstate commerce.  As for judicial muster - McCain/Feingold passed and has yet to be fully over turned by the courts.  Indeed, Breyer has already said that the LETTER of the constitutional is not constitutional, so you cannot count on anything rational coming out of the courts.  You and I would say "Yes, that is unconstitutional", but would the courts?  I will not bet anything on it (for now perhaps, but not in the future).

on Jan 11, 2011

Anthony R
Was surfing the web checking out the temperature of stuff and I'm astonished to find liberals still clinging to the notion that 'right wing vitriol' or 'a climate of right wing hate' is somehow responsible for this tragedy. They are about as ginned up as I've ever seen them with this belief. I guess its ok for them to have their beliefs no matter how fantastic or ridiculous, but a child was murdered there, so it is rather detestable for them to continue carrying on like this attempting to blame the American right. Its a tremendous insult.

They are doubling down.  The reason the heat is still up is because most are not buying it.  Expect it to continue even as those in power get heat from regular people to can it since their position is totally unsupportable.  I read one blog where the author called it "well oiled" given how quickly the meme started.  I think that is a good term for it.  But at the same time, it is tired and over used.  Unlike 98, this time the right is hitting back and hitting back hard - with facts!  Showing that when identifiable, the perpetrators are almost always leftists, not right wing.

 

on Jan 11, 2011

but Clyburn. That is how you are being disingenuous.

I'm not being disingenuous about this either. Up to this point the only things I've heard from Clyburn is that he doesn't think he should be subject to having his junk grabbed at the airport like the rest of us and he wants the fairness doctrine reinstated. Fact is these guys are scared and I don't blame them. They've had their offices vandalized and get a continuous stream of threats. In my opinion they helped cause their own problems but overall I think Obama might be right in that when people are scared they don't think rationally. Overall these guys can try what they want but I think in the end free speech will prevail. The Dems don't control the house and the courts seem to rule in favor of free speech so I really don't know what people are crying about.

on Jan 12, 2011

wants the fairness doctrine reinstated.

Which is a restriction on the first amendment.  And while not new, a direct knee jerk to the talking points.  There is Slaughter as well.  The list grows longer by the hour. 

Again, when you made the statement, you were technically correct in saying "to this point".  However, as you can see now, the inevitability of the further calls for removing our freedoms was not an "if", but just a "when".

Fact is these guys are scared and I don't blame them.

can;'t stand the heat?  Get out of the kitchen.  The attacks on members of congress is far lower (rate wise) then the attacks on a citizen in a big city.  And they are SUPPOSED to be PROTECTING us.

he Dems don't control the house and the courts seem to rule in favor of free speech

Again, except in the case of McCain/Feingold.  So I do not trust them to rule in favor of any of our rights.  The only way to win the game is to not play as they say, and in the case of rights, the only way to ensure them is to make sure that congress does not start to remove them.

on Jan 12, 2011

You watch.  Wanna take bets tonight's speech will be hailed by the much of the MSM (again) as the greatest presidential speech since the Gettysburg Address?  At least since Clinton's 'deft pinning' of the OKC bombing on the right?

Doesn't matter what he says, Brian Williams will weep and praise him for his 'healing powers'.

on Jan 12, 2011

Doesn't matter what he says, Brian Williams will weep and praise him for his 'healing powers'.

Don't forget Matthew's tingling legs.

on Jan 12, 2011

can;'t stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen. The attacks on members of congress is far lower (rate wise) then the attacks on a citizen in a big city. And they are SUPPOSED to be PROTECTING us.

That's it in a nutshell. So I'll let them scream and yell, and let them politic like they always do, and I'll sit here and laugh at it like I always do. But I won't let them whip me into a frenzy because this type of thing will happen again.  Maybe the talking heads will realize that they should be talking about mental healthcare because that is really the issue behind this.

on Jan 12, 2011

Doesn't matter what he says, Brian Williams will weep and praise him for his 'healing powers'.

If Obama wants to "heal' or console me he can resign and get on a plane back to Kenya or Indonesia or wherever he actually comes from.

on Jan 12, 2011

nd I'll sit here and laugh at it like I always do.

you will - I do not trust them to be so rational.  I guess I just do not trust politicians (any of them) to just not screw things up given the option of doing nothing right, or something wrong.

on Jan 12, 2011

you will - I do not trust them to be so rational

I do not trust politicians either, but I have faith in our system. I have seen this kind of thing over and over and over. 

on Jan 13, 2011

Speech impressions:

Initially fairly good impression overall.  I'm always emotional at first and only later look objectively at content.

Fairly creepy aura to the whole thing; too much campaign rally & theatrics, especially the ending crescendo.

Nappy & Holder reading bible passages?

UofA President lobbying for a job; sounded like David Brooks introducing BO.

Of course, he couldn't NOT go there, simply accepting 'vitriol' as an established fact; but I highly doubt any of the usual suspects will acknowledge that he was talking about them, or that they will abandon their efforts to silence their opposition.

The words otherwise were mostly right, especially the call to live up to Christina Green's expectations; I just never got the feeling he really believed any of them.

He seemed more actor on a stage (something he does seemingly instinctively) than compassionate human, especially during the odd bit about how 'shortly after I visited' Gabby opened her eyes; I couldn't help but think from his demeanor that he thought his visit had had something to do with that.

When I learned how the whole thing had been 'branded' and they'd handed out blue logo T-shirts to everyone, I got nauseated.

on Jan 13, 2011

Yeah the theatrics were apparent. And it wasn't like the partisans were interspersed here and there, it must have been the whole place. Normal people might greet Eric Holder with a smattering of polite applause, but nothing as thunderous as what we saw. I'm glad Obama took a few seconds to talk about the victims.

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