Ok. So you think I'm manipulating the archbishop's words, while I think I was trying to explain what "same methods" are as opposed to "peaceful methods". 

I pointed out that "same methods" are vengeance for vengeance (or as you say, an eye for an eye) methods.

Bottom line is that "same methods" here is employing violence for violence.

No rest assured I wasn't making the claim that the Archbishop was promoting war. He is in fact promoting just the opposite.

Sickens is such a strong term.  So I guess you really care.  Which is more than I can say for myself.  You may want to go back and reread my response as Ms. Narcissist, I never mentioned you.  I mentioned a cancer on America.  Should the shoe fit, you are more than welcome to wear it.  But do not accuse me of being your prince charming shodding your shoeless sole.

When you stop thinking the world is all about "U-U-U-U', come back and be more rational.  Until such time, go buzz someone who cares about what you think, feel, or don't think and feel.

Au Contraire, they are bombing it.  The only similarity about this no fly zone being administered by France, GB and the USA and a real no fly zone is the use of airplanes.  In a "no fly zone" you do not bomb targets unless they are shooting at you - and Ghadhafy's compound was not doing that. (Neither were his tanks, but  I guess a supersonic jet fighter has to be afraid of a subsonic ground to ground projectile?)

Well, they were supposed to institute a no-fly zone, not bomb the country. But I am not involved in that. I supported the invasion of Iraq but that was because I knew who the bad guy was (Saddam) and who the good guys were (the Kurds). I cannot say that I know that Gaddafi is worse than the rebels. Three things speak for the rebels though: They use the flag of royal Libya, they are supported by Berber (native) tribes and Gaddafi is a known terrorist supporter.

Either way, bombing military targets is no human rights violation and if that Bishop claims that they are he is either an idiot or a liar or both.

What exactly is the opposite of promoting war?

I don't know if Gaddafi uses human shields. Most like him do. Hitting human shields is no human rights violation either. I don't believe that US or other forces are purposefully hitting anything but military targets. If the Bishop wants to make that accusation he should say it out loud.

Who wouldn't like to resolve the conflict in Libya using "peaceful methods"? The problem is that "peaceful methods" don't work very well with people like Gaddafi (or the rebels for that matter). The Bishop has merely decided not to take the risk of doing anything. It's easy to call for "peace" when others do the fighting that protects you from war.

Leauki posts:

Lula posts:

DrG posts:

Leauki posts:

This isn't about you or your support of or involvement. Why can't you see that you made a claim the forces were not bombing Libya and that claim is incorrect? End of story. 

 "If"?

here is the Archbishop's quote:

Here the  "violations of human rights" was not about bombing military targets.

You might note that the news article also included that the bishops held an episcopal meeting:

The commission meeting, which ended Wednesday in Tunisia, gathered bishops of Maghreb with others from France and Spain.

The final declaration of the participants emphasized the plight of migrants fleeing the conflict zones, while also affirming that "no one can control the consequences of armed intervention that also affect innocent victims."

Here's today's news about the bombing of Libya and the archbishop:

Bombing of Libya is driving thousands of civilian from homes, bishop reports

  May 10, 2011

The apostolic vicar of Tripoli, who has consistently denounced the NATO air strikes in Libya, reports that the bombing is causing a massive exodus of refugees.

"The Libyans are afraid, every day thousands of people leave for Egypt and Tunisia, where refugee camps have been set up,” Bishop Giovanni Martinelli told the AsiaNews service. “Yesterday more than 30,000 people fled to Tunisia alone.”

Bishop Martinelli has issued numerous pleas for an end to the bombing campaign and the beginning of negotiations to settle Libya's future.

Source(s): these links will take you to other sites, in a new window.

• Bishop of Tripoli: Libyans are fleeing the war. Hundreds of thousands of refugees (AsiaNews)

Already seen. The end of the story happened before your involvement, as usual.

To demonstrate that the Bishop is telling the truth you refer to other statements the Bishop has made backing up his claims?

Isn't the traditional method to find another source that confirms the first rather than just showing that the first source agrees with itself?

I was not getting into your debate with Lula, just contending the no fly as that is a great point of vexation for me.  I know why they call it that - so the progressives can support it without looking like the true hypocrites they are (ala iraq).  but that is not what vexes me.  As it is the natural tendency of progressives to lie even when the truth will do.

The vexation is with the Media going along with the charade.  I should not be, since that again is the natural tendency of the ministers of propaganda, yet I still have those rose colored glasses on.

I get your point. Nevertheless, I doubt that NATO (or Arab League) forces intentionally fire at civilian targets (unless Gaddafi's troops hide next to them as does happen). Whether or not one agrees with what the US and others are doing in Libya, bombing military targets is not a human rights violation. (It is, however, a violation of Libya's souvereinty, because the west and the Arab League have recognised Gaddafi as the rightful ruler of Libya even though that in itself was also a crime.)

Promoting peace by peaceful means.

Evidently not, for you attempt  oneupsmanship by poking at me with this nonsense.

And this point is one of major importance.  

Going back to the last paragraph of the AsiaNews.It article from 4/26/11  #92 post.

The point that the bombings have been authorized by the UN was thrown out to the archbishop and he asserted that "the United Nations, NATO and the European Union do not have "the moral authority to decide to bomb."

THe archbishop's point is one of major importance as well.