And I'm the Yang to starkers' Yin ...

All 15 pages has been 99% fat free....er ....hostility free.

I'm just really here to ensure it stays that way.....[and to point out that with Win 8 MS has finally realized they 'had the ball'....and immediately dropped it]...

As with all previous ill-conceived versions of Windows, the next version will be along before you have to migrate from W7. Just be patient

It is certainly better here than other places I could mention, but he has insinuated things I could do without in this or that thread (whether trying to be funny or not, it's unnecessary.)

The reason I have a hard time taking any forum dicussion about 8 seriously (even knowing many of you do use a much newer OS) is the number of people who still think XP is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  They're usually the ones I consider technologically illiterate.

As to 'ill conceived' the well received versions wouldn't exist without them.  Heh.

You didn't "prove" anything wrong. All you did is show multi-step workarounds for things at we're quicker in Windows 7. Workarounds I already knew of and use.

If you feel insulted, I apologize. 

My objection is that e proponents of Windows 8 keep arguing that those who think it is inferior feel that way because they haven't used Windows 8 or are afraid of change. I think I've given plenty of evidence that shows that Windows 8 is less effective at doing the most common tasks people use PC's for. 

In one instance you said they were many more steps than 7, and when you use the search by just typing those steps are gone...it's the exact same as 7.

I could also point to many instances where there are far less buttons pressed than 7, but I already did.

I agree on the first sentence of that last part, that's what I've been annoyed about...though I do believe some of that is happening, I certainly don't believe it should be applied to everyone.  Some of the evidence of common stuff you've given is stuff I and most people I know never do.

That's about all I can say really, considering we've all said our piece many times.

(I'm trying to avoid this place since I'm not much of a Stardock customer anymore, but alas it's hard to forget the people you get used to hangin around with. )

 22 replies, most not about the subject.  Is that the shortest thread about an OS ever?

To whom do you refer?

If it's me, I do not insinuate or assume anything.  What's more, I do not intend to upset or offend anyone when I state an opinion, poke a bit of fun and/or yank their chain a little.  If I have offended you at any time then I apologise.

While many people in my time zone are tucked up in bed sleep, I'm up more often than not with insomnia and unable to sleep due to pain and discomfort.  It is during these wee hours of the morning that I need a distraction from all that, to occupy myself with something interesting to wile away the hours... and if I can inject something funny, amusing, humourous, then it is good therapy for me while putting a smile on the faces of those who do appreciate it. 

As they say, laughter is the best medicine, and I'm not the only one who needs some cheer now and then.... but again, if I have offended you then I apologise.

Except that I first have to launch the desktop or some other app to get back to the Windows 7-like desktop. Are you saying you won't even concede that's a bit annoying?

Like what? I've read this whole thread and the only conceivable advantage I've seen listed for Windows 8 is that the Start screen allows for faster launching of apps since they're already on the screen.  That's a pretty small benefit for all the other tangible downsides.

I'm sorry you're not much of a customer anymore.  

Regarding your points, sure, there are people out there who think Windows XP or even Linux are "better".  But one of the reasons I think Windows 8 is failing so spectacularly in the marketplace is because Microsoft and its most vocal supporters have discounted the very real, very tangible flaws in Windows 8 that make it a less productive environment for the typical PC user.  

Whatever benefits it has in theory, and there aren't very many imo, those benefits come at a very high cost imo.  

I use Windows 8 every day. It's my main OS.  I've been a proponent of every version of Windows since NT 4.0.  I even preferred Vista over XP even though it hard serious problems. 

I remember Vista's launch very well because its proponents poo-poo'd its problems. I even made this post just before it shipped: https://forums.wincustomize.com/125779 (which with the benefit of hindsight I think most would agree precisely nails the things that led to Vista's poor reception).

There is no doubt in my mind that 5 years from now, there will be pretty universal consensus that Windows 8 was a disaster.  And I suspect someone will link back to this thread just as I am linking back to that Vista thread 7 years later).

As a maker of desktop enhancements for Windows, Windows 8 has been a boon for us.  But in terms of the platform in its totality, I weep for our ecosystem.

I have very little input worth anything here, but I feel the need to say this.

Firstly, I can imagine how Win8 isn't so great from a business/office point of view. From a home user point of view, not so bad.

I found out something last night that has me thinking I'll give 8 a chance.

I run 4 monitors on 2 graphics cards. Using DeskScapes, running a different dream on each monitor, my system takes a performance loss if I'm in Win7. In Win8, not so much.

On 7, my cursor slows, things get draggy, the whole system suffers.

Win 8, running 4 different dreams, no change for the rest of my activity, meaning it's as if I was running 4 static walls.

I guess the things they say about Win 8 handling resources better is true. I am impressed.

I'd also add, that Windows 8 needs to be run on multiple monitors if you plan to multitask.

Why not just use regular wallpapers?

Kona, you're on a customization site. I can't believe you even typed that...lol. Nut. 

@Starkers. Seriously, Cap'n, a rig with your specs should damn well perform at the top of its class regardless of the OS on it. Saying how fast/better is is with Win8 is a moot point for the rest of us "suffering" with last gen(or two) Phenom quads or lower and "only" one gfx card. Vista, to this old dog was a new trick. Win7 as it was, didn't really need to teach me anything new. I'll be damned if I will throw most of that out the window at my age to please some corporate moneygrubbing assholes who think they know more about what I want and need than I do.

Bottom line is: Use what you want <and can afford> to use. If you blew 40 bucks on the next new toy from MS, well good for you, enjoy it. If you (like I did) spent far more money on Win7 Ultimate, perhaps the money has already been (well) spent and MS will have to bring a hell of a lot more to the table for me to shell out more money.

@All I value each and every opinion, pro and con. Brad's(Frogboy's) even more so. What I do not think is so cool is top be belittled for whatever reason. Starkers, other people can do and say and use what they wish, that makes them neither illiterate, stupid, backwards, behind the times, out of date or somehow less "smart" than you. Climb down off the high horse.

Ugh what is up with this forum...it really doesn't like IE10 still (though its better than before anyway.)

Err, I meant if you type in the start screen it searches without any extra button presses.  It's exactly like 7 in handling that.

Also, power tools.  It wasn't in this thread. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/shortcuts-and-surprises-in-the-windows-8-consumer-preview/4587 I love how easy they are to get to now.

I was a Vista fan and I thought some bits of it were ass.  I just liked it a lot more than XP since it didn't fall apart if you looked at it funny.

The thing is, whatever the consensus is five years from now (and you're probably right,) at launch people were bitching about XP as well.

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-is-the-new-xp-7000006095/

This new version of Windows is going to be a disaster, pundits say. It will be completely rejected by businesses, who will stick with old versions even after Microsoft drops support for them.

And its new interface is so hideous and unusable that customers who are forced to use it will trip over themselves finding ways to restore the old Start menu.

I am, of course, talking about Windows XP, which was released 11 years ago this week. It lived down to all those insults and dire predictions for years before it finally and implausibly became a success. 

I'd say the only reason for XPs popularity is for a long time it was the only game in town. 

If I recall correctly the forum is tied into other forums so technically that's not true.