Hi all, thought I'd join the discussion.  I love Windows 8.  I've installed it on my desktop, my laptop, my dad's laptop, my mom's laptop, my sister's computers, and most of my clients.  Everyone has been liking it better than Windows 7. 

Instead of everyone having to press the start button, programs, all programs, the desired software folder, and then the software we want to use, we simply single click the desired tile on the Start screen.  Easy pesy.  We all love the syncing with our Microsoft accounts.  All our mail, calendars, contacts, and settings sync.  Even my laptop and my desktop sync back and forth.

If you really worked with it and checked out all of the features and advantages, you might be pleasantly surprised.  Oh, and there are lots of keyboard shortcuts that actually increase your productivity.

I said the same thing a few months ago and got yelled at. Wonder why no one is yelling at him. Interesting.

NEWS FLASH: A desktop shortcut will do the same thing with a double click of a single icon.(settable to a single click, if that's just too much effort) Alternately, it can be pinned to the taskbar and launched with a single click. Maybe they need to learn how to use their computers, not a new OS.

..........Just saying

And then there is the search box on the startmenu for those who know how to spell.

And, unless you do have multiple monitors, which most on the job PCs don't, most modern UI apps run full screen. No more multiple windows on one screen. PITA, IMO.

I do not run multiple screens, I put that forward as a potential reason as to why some people may find that a non-issue. I personally do not find the small amount of lost screen real estate noticeable, I do not think the UI in Windows 8 is clunky or in need of a solution.  More likely we users are clunky, in need of a change of operations and the solution to same is to approach the new OS with an open mind.  I have done so and am having as good a time with it as you are with the previous version.  In any case, we are both happy campers!

i hate hominy and grits

I don't mind giving up screen space if there's a trade off. But there isn't. It's just bigger.

I don't get the idea that it's somehow easier to sift through the start screen rather than go through all programs in the event that the thing you want isn't in the most commonly run programs (which, incidentally, the new Start Screen has no equivalent to).

While I have no idea what was said, being a jackass to the owner of the forum you're on seems like a bad idea.

I mean uhh...mostly *grin*

(My points are from a Desktop PC running Win8 Pro. I know nothing of RT at this point...)

I don't see it that way at all. For one, I absolutely hated the "Frequent" list generated on Win7 and always turned that off. I know what I use most frequently and I would Pin it to my start menu.

That "Pinned" start menu that I speak of is exactly what Windows 8 Modern UI screen is and it is a hell of a lot faster to navigate. If one takes the time to organize their new start screen in to categories of their choosing and unpin items that they do not use that often then it is even easier to navigate. 

It can be brought up the same way the win7 start menu is triggered. Either by a box at lower left of screen or by hitting the Win key. Also, unlike the windows 7 start menu, you can quickly scroll through the Win8 start screen with your mouse wheel.

Right Clicking and showing All Apps is a bit unruly to sort through. Some header distinction would go a long way there for quickly honing in on the section you want.

As for searching... Why on earth would you search from the charms bar for a file? 

The new explorer interface is a snap for things like that and just like anything else with Windows 8, you have to take the time to learn the new system. Once you do, and develop some new habits then they become second nature, just like the habits we all built with 7 and XP. 

One helpful thing that I did was to add a "Computer" toolbar to my taskbar. Right click, toolbars, new toolbar. Click on Computer in the left pane and you have it. Turn off text and title and you have a nice equivalent of the old Quick Launch toolbar.

As for customizing Win8.

Decor8 was an excellent beginning and I greatly look forward to more.

Start8 is just a crutch and serves no purpose at all for those that want to take the time to learn the new system. In panic, I installed it at first, but once I forced myself to not use it I easily discovered that I was better off without it.

OblyTile is another good start for customizing those tiles. It isn't made by Stardock but I would be that you guys have something in the works along those lines. If not, then shame is upon you. .

Also, I look forward to seeing what windowblinds8 will bring to the table. If it is a step forward then I'm in. If it's a crutch which brings Start8 in to the picture, then I'll pass.

Well, I would guess it's because we all know that Brad has given it a good workout for more than a few moments and is basing his opinions on actual experience instead of heresay.

Mine scrolls...

I want to create a new Meeting agenda which I do by using a previous meeting agenda file (a Word doc).

In Windows 7: I click on the Start menu, type Meeting Agenda and it instantly finds all my meetings. I can mouse over the files and it'll tell me the creation date.

In Windows 8: I open the Charms bar, hit search, type Meeting Agenda, then have to select the files search results (Metro arbitrarily splits search results between programs, settings, and files). Like before, there are multiple Meeting Agenda files. However, I have no idea which one because I can't sort or find out when the file was created.

Thus, the user is, I assume, expected to instead open Explorer and perform the same search they would have under Windows 7.

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I have hundreds of programs installed on my computer for creating various types of visual designs. Many of them are very specific (like for creating relationship charts and diagrams).  I need to load one of them.

In Windows 7: I open the Start menu, go to all programs, and it shows FOLDERS and I open up the "Diagramming tools" folder I created and launch the program.

In Windows 8: There is no folder metaphor in Metro. I can create "groups" but they're not labeled and I have many hundreds of programs installed. I'm expected to visually sift through the hundreds of programs to find the one I want (assuming I took the time to create a "group" which is vastly more effort than managing folders in Explorer).

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I have to check out a huge new project that is in the cloud. It'll take an hour to do a full check out to get all the files.

In Windows 7: I load up the program, it starts to grab the files from the cloud. I launch another program to do something else, confident that the other program will do its thing.

In Windows 8: IF the program is written natively (WinRT) as opposed to "legacy" Win32 then I load up the program. It's a giant full screen app. It starts to grab the files fromt he cloud. I launch another program. I have no idea if my RT version grabbing program is going to work in the background or not.

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So what am I getting in exchange for these showstoppers? I see things that are significant challenges to using Windows 8 as it's intended to use while still using a PC as a production machine but I don't see the benefits.

As to point 1, you don't need to hit the Charms bar and click Search to search.  You can search by just starting typing at any point in the Start Screen.

Point 2 I get.  You can make a folder of shortcuts on your desktop and link to it in the Start Screen, but that's awkward.

As to point 3, you don't NEED to use WinRT for anything.  I'm not sure why this is a 'showstopper' when the desktop is the same as it was in win7.

Well, I still haven't seen any compelling arguments as to why Win 8 sucks.  There has been a couple of things for which are now done differently, and a couple of others for which there are perfectly acceptable workarounds... and a couple of others that are quite trivial and not that important. 

In other words, there's a whole load of whining going on about nothing... and frankly, I'm done debating it.  Bye!