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Herr Grahmesty and Schumer want it now
Published on March 11, 2010 By Anthony R In Politics

Senators Chuck U Schumer and Lindsay Grahmnesty have begun a new push for a National ID Card. This is really disturbing to me on so many levels. Its like 1939 Nazi Germany where everyone has to show their papers or something. Our freedoms are being stripped from us by authoritarians on both sides of the isle and its dangerous. When I first read Orwell's Nineteen-Eighty Four as a kid I thought it was a far fetched work of fiction, if we all need to start carrying and presenting national ID cards to buy/sell/work/pass or exist, then the book was actually rather prophetic.


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on Mar 17, 2010

So what's the danger to freedom with an ID card that does what a driver's licence does plus prove your right to work?

It seems to me that such a card could only limit the freedom of those who don't have the right to work.

Yes it would seem that way. I don't have any idea what information the card would contain. It is mostly liberal groups that are against it for privacy reasons (the same that were against the Patriot Act under Bush, but are quiet as a church mouse under Obama's Patriot Act). I believe they would find that a hindrance to illegal works, and that would upset a portion of their voting block. You would really need to ask a liberal why they oppose it.

on Mar 17, 2010

I believe they would find that a hindrance to illegal works, and that would upset a portion of their voting block.

Illegal workers cannot vote. I find this argument stretchy..

on Mar 17, 2010

Illegal workers cannot vote. I find this argument stretchy..

You are correct, however a sizable Hispanic and non-Hispanic portion of the population, that can vote, is supporting "rights" for illegals. If that were not the case, this would not even be an issue.

on Mar 17, 2010

You are correct, however a sizable Hispanic and non-Hispanic portion of the population, that can vote, is supporting "rights" for illegals. If that were not the case, this would not even be an issue

Well, that is a legitimate political claim, don't you think? They want the illegals to become legal for reasons X Y and Z.

I am not saying that it's a claim that is actually desirable for your country, nor that I support it. Just that it's something that can be acceptable on the political spectrum of things.

But on the other hand, does the.. err.. 12% (?) of latino citizen of the US are monolithically in favor of such legislation?

on Mar 17, 2010

I am not saying that it's a claim that is actually desirable for your country, nor that I support it. Just that it's something that can be acceptable on the political spectrum of things.

But on the other hand, does the.. err.. 12% (?) of Latino citizen of the US are monolithically in favor of such legislation?

Considering the billions spent to treat illegals to schools, health care, and other services I would have to say it is not beneficial to the US, but I can't imagine why Hispanics and liberal supporters are for amnesty or anything else outside the lawful immigration process. Perhaps they enjoy Mexico so much that they want to bring it here.  I don't know, those fancy California homes need maids.

Your figure seems a bit low (12%), of course I'm including Hispanics and Latino members of the population. It hasn't been that low since before the 80's. My source, the US Census Bureau (click second link .pdf), places about 47.8% of the population. You can see the impact this soon to be majority group has on US politics.

on Mar 18, 2010

Cikomyr
On my driver's licence is my adress, name and brith date. What would there be on an ID more than this?

SS Number (or the equivalent in the US), medical history, criminal record, places of employment, places resided.  Just think of every thing the government has on you, and that is what is contained in the card.  it opens doors for many things, most of them not good.

Leauki
It seems to me that such a card could only limit the freedom of those who don't have the right to work.

 

Gattaca.  We laugh at movies like that.  But they did not spring up from nothing, but from historical examples of abuse.

on Mar 18, 2010

places about 47.8% of the population. You can see the impact this soon to be majority group has on US politic

That is 47.8 million, not percent.  Which makes them about 15% of the population.  They are the fastest growing segment of the population.

on Mar 18, 2010

Nitro Cruiser

Illegal workers cannot vote. I find this argument stretchy..


You are correct, however a sizable Hispanic and non-Hispanic portion of the population, that can vote, is supporting "rights" for illegals. If that were not the case, this would not even be an issue.

Isn't keeping illegals from voting the goal, the thrust behind this latest push for National ID cards?

However, keeping illegals from voting by way of national ID cards that require acquiring more information for identification of citizens is nuts.

It's the same of laws on gun control....Honest citizens now must go through hoops and loops to own guns. Meanwhile, the bad ones still get guns.

on Mar 18, 2010

Dr Guy

places about 47.8% of the population. You can see the impact this soon to be majority group has on US politic


That is 47.8 million, not percent.  Which makes them about 15% of the population.  They are the fastest growing segment of the population.

I stand corrected, you are right Doc, 15.8% this year.

Isn't keeping illegals from voting the goal, the thrust behind this latest push for National ID cards?

If they would only follow the existing laws on the books their would be no issues. I say hammer the employers, from the guy that hires someone to cut their grass right up to the corporations. Fine the $10K per illegal worker. This will help the deficit, it will also save the taxpayers money, as the illegals will go home on their own, without us paying their transportation. Go home and fix the issues in your own country that caused you to leave, instead of transforming the US into where you came from.

You'd be surprised how many groups, well left of center, want to allow illegals to right to vote.

on Mar 18, 2010

If they would only follow the existing laws on the books their would be no issues. I say hammer the employers, from the guy that hires someone to cut their grass right up to the corporations. Fine the $10K per illegal worker. This will help the deficit, it will also save the taxpayers money, as the illegals will go home on their own, without us paying their transportation. Go home and fix the issues in your own country that caused you to leave, instead of transforming the US into where you came from.

This fix makes too much sense and there doesn't seem to be alot of that around Congress these days. And unfortunately, those who know it, don't have the courage to actually carry it through with actions.

 

You'd be surprised how many groups, well left of center, want to allow illegals to right to vote.

I'm annoyed by this, but not surprised.

on Mar 18, 2010

I'm annoyed by this, but not surprised.

You know, I'm really at a lose as to why legal immigrants want to support their countrymen that are here illegally. Do they crave their homeland so much that they would recreate it here? Why did they leave if that is the case? Resources are finite.

on Mar 18, 2010

There has been so much going on in politics lately, I missed this.

Hey lula, haven't seen you around in a while. Keep an eye, Schumer and Grahmnesty are pushing it even as the poisoned Obamacare debacle rages on. I hope the people of SC dump Lindsey Grahmnesty next election. He's a cancer.

on Mar 19, 2010

lulapilgrim
Isn't keeping illegals from voting the goal, the thrust behind this latest push for National ID cards?

Actually no.  It is a bone they are trying to throw to those against legalizing illegal immigrants.  They want to legalize them (basically whitewash the whole mess), but for those that object to basically legalizing criminal activity, they want the ID card so that "no more" illegals get in once they pass the law.  Which of course is stupid. ALl it will do is make it more expensive for the illegals to get a card (it is only about $150 now to get a SS card and other documentation so they can work).

heaven forbid it was for voting!  They are still suing in some states to prevent a picture ID from being used (provided free by the government if you do not have one).

on Mar 19, 2010

Nitro Cruiser

You know, I'm really at a lose as to why legal immigrants want to support their countrymen that are here illegally. Do they crave their homeland so much that they would recreate it here? Why did they leave if that is the case? Resources are finite.

it is not legal immigrants that are supporting it, but some minorities do.  However they are split on the issue (many blacks and hispanics do not like getting undercut for a job).

on Mar 19, 2010

Dr Guy



Quoting lulapilgrim,
reply 53
Isn't keeping illegals from voting the goal, the thrust behind this latest push for National ID cards?


Actually no.  It is a bone they are trying to throw to those against legalizing illegal immigrants.  They want to legalize them (basically whitewash the whole mess), but for those that object to basically legalizing criminal activity, they want the ID card so that "no more" illegals get in once they pass the law.  Which of course is stupid. ALl it will do is make it more expensive for the illegals to get a card (it is only about $150 now to get a SS card and other documentation so they can work).

heaven forbid it was for voting!  They are still suing in some states to prevent a picture ID from being used (provided free by the government if you do not have one).

Oh ya. Ah huh.

They want to legalize them (basically whitewash the whole mess), but for those that object to basically legalizing criminal activity, they want the ID card so that "no more" illegals get in once they pass the law. Which of course is stupid.

What you call stupid I call nuts...it's both and more could be added as well!

It's basically the same as they did in passing so called gun control laws...

 

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