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Published on February 1, 2013 By Anthony R In Personal Computing

Microsoft need to get serious about making Operating systems in the future and needs to give me at least 1 good reason to switch from Win 7 which is the best Operating system I've used to something new. With Win 8 I have nothing but reasons NOT to switch. Get serious people.


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on Feb 21, 2013

the_Monk

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While you may be 'used to' a PC, this generation is increasingly not so.  They are in fact 'used to' phones/tablets by now.  My children (all grown already) can text and surf for webpages on their mobile devices just as fast (if not faster) than anyone else can on a PC.  Fact of life these days....


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Life's 1st law of life:  Those not in forward motion get left behind.

 

 

And if they are happy with their mobile phone..... why bother buying a PC at all? You dont use your car the way you use your computer... and so why should I use my computer like a phone?

 

Believe in Mircosofts marketing all you want.... a mobile phone GUI on a desktop operating system is downright stupid.

 

As far leaving behind.... this is such a PATHETIC argument.... we speak about an OS here.... not some treck in the wild west. And there is very little consequence in avoiding Win 8 all together. In fact, bad sales may make MS revert back to common sense.

 

 

starkers

Quoting Savyg, reply 264
Quoting moshi, reply 262no changes since at least October 2010

http://web.archive.org/web/20101030031001/http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/lifecycle?

the only thing that has changed is that consumer versions qualify for extendend support as well.

And that happened in 2012.

clearly they forgot to update the top of the page

I see no point in debating/arguing the 'supposed' end of support dates.  Clearly Micrsoft is disappointed in the slow uptake of Windows 8 and is seeking solutions to migrate as many people as possible over to the new system.  The heavily discounted pricing didn't work - and MS wants more Win 8 users to reduce its support load - so if a second attempt at discount pricing fails mid-2013, then MS may just be forced to employ heavier-handed measures.

Perhaps 'my little bird' wasn't too far off the mark after all.

 

It is clear to me that you have not the slighest idea in the world how economy works....

 

The CUSTOMER.... and NOT THE COMPANY chooses what is done.... and what product is the future. 

 

So, if Microsoft uses your "Heavier handed measures" it may soon find out that the customer is capable of much more severe measures. And unlike Microsoft the customer can do this as long as he wants.

 

Actually, with the current quite unimpressive scale of sales, there is a descent change that support for Windows 7 is extended even further.

 

 

You are dearly mistaken, to believe that Microsoft can force something onto people and companies that said people and companies dont want. Welcome to the free market. If your product sucks, you improve it... or leave the market.

 

Which might not be too bad after all.... I dont think anyone would miss Microsoft..... besides.... even a market share drop down to 30 % would wo wonders to the OS market..... and would place them to the place where they belong.

 

 

I dont see companies moving to Windows 8 any time soon.... as for them... there is no advantage..... only cost and high loss of productivity until people learn to use the retarded GUI. Similar to most end users.

 

 

on Feb 21, 2013

starkers
I've never used OS-X so I have no idea what it's like, but from what I can ascertain, I'd be able to run it on my rig if I were to purchase a copy.

You wouldn't be able to run it. OSX is coded to only run on Apple hardware. There is a way to run OSX on non-Apple hardware but it involves hacks and runarounds to do so.

on Feb 21, 2013

kona0197

Quoting starkers, reply 269I've never used OS-X so I have no idea what it's like, but from what I can ascertain, I'd be able to run it on my rig if I were to purchase a copy.

You wouldn't be able to run it. OSX is coded to only run on Apple hardware. There is a way to run OSX on non-Apple hardware but it involves hacks and runarounds to do so.

I read in a magazine that if your hardware is reasonably modern and your specs are decent, OS-X will run on a regular PC with a Bootcamp type program.  It was a while ago now and I'll have to look up the article again, but it said that the program performs all the necessary actions to run OS-X on a PC.

on Feb 21, 2013

Bootcamp is a program that allows Windows 7 to run an Apple hardware, not the other way around.

on Feb 21, 2013

You can use Multibeast to run it... http://tonymacx86.blogspot.com/2010/02/multibeast-ultimate-post-installation.html

But why would you be interested in such issues Starkers? You will be using whatever Microsoft creates and you will be praying that they cut off all support to us knuckle dragging bitter clingers who refuse to adapt.

on Feb 21, 2013

kona0197
Bootcamp is a program that allows Windows 7 to run an Apple hardware, not the other way around.

A bootcamp -TYPE program.  I didn't know the name of it at the time, but Anthony R named it...  it's called Multibeast.

Anthony R
But why would you be interested in such issues Starkers? You will be using whatever Microsoft creates and you will be praying that they cut off all support to us knuckle dragging bitter clingers who refuse to adapt.

Why shouldn't I be interested?  It's an OS I'd like to try out... just to see what all the fanbois are crowing about.  And yes, I'll use whatever MS puts out if it suits my needs... and frankly, I don't care if they cut off support for previous OSes or not.  I'm happy with Win 8 so it's no skin off my nose one way or the other.

EDIT:

Can't do it with Multibeast anyway... it requires an Intel Core processor, and mine is AMD.  So I'll have to hunt down that article after all.  In it was a way to do the same on an AMD based PC, using a similar program.

on Feb 22, 2013

starkers, I remember seeing an article in pc user about 2 to 3  years ago to run osX on intel core 2 duo gigabyte g41 mobo, but do not remember ANY mention of AMD cpu's/mobo's.

hope the hints help

harpo

 

on Feb 22, 2013

I don't even remember which magazine it was in, so I'm going to have to rummage through a swag of 'em until I come across it, but I seem to recall it was about OS-X and AMD's higher end CPU's.  I was running an AMD Phenom II x6 1100T at the time and recall thinking; "Ooo, I can do that."

If not, I saw some Core i5's going for reasonable sums just recently, so maybe my first Intel build in years will be inspired by this idea of running OS-X on something other than a Mac,  I'd only need to get the CPU and mobo cos I could poach enough parts from here and there to build an i5 rig.

on Feb 22, 2013

 

starkers
I'd only need to get the CPU and mobo cos I could poach enough parts from here and there to build an i5 rig.

There's a whole list of hardware that is supported and a how to guide for all. http://www.hackintosh.com/

I haven't done it yet cause I haven't gotten my OS X yet. I'm holding off cause my dad is a Mac zealot and has them laying around, so I can just get one from him when I visit him out west.

on Feb 22, 2013

Anthony R
There's a whole list of hardware that is supported and a how to guide for all. http://www.hackintosh.com/[/quote]

Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it.

I always wanted to try out OS-X, but the cost of Mac hardware always put me off taking a serious sot at it.  I did consider the iMac mini at first, but back then they were up around the grand mark for an entry level machine here in Australia.  They've come down to around $699, and in some places they're gettable for $650, and I may yet go that way, but the i5 machine could still work out more economical. 

I can get an i5-3570K for $196.00 and an Asus P8H77-M for $85.00.  Anyway, that's still a bit of a way off, so I'll wait and see as to which way is best.

on Feb 24, 2013

starkers

Quoting kona0197, reply 272
Quoting starkers, reply 269I've never used OS-X so I have no idea what it's like, but from what I can ascertain, I'd be able to run it on my rig if I were to purchase a copy.

You wouldn't be able to run it. OSX is coded to only run on Apple hardware. There is a way to run OSX on non-Apple hardware but it involves hacks and runarounds to do so.

I read in a magazine that if your hardware is reasonably modern and your specs are decent, OS-X will run on a regular PC with a Bootcamp type program.  It was a while ago now and I'll have to look up the article again, but it said that the program performs all the necessary actions to run OS-X on a PC.

You can run OSX in a VM if you really want to try. But it's just another UNIX BSD version with an Apple GUI stuck on.

 

 

on Feb 24, 2013

petrossa

Quoting starkers, reply 273
Quoting kona0197, reply 272
Quoting starkers, reply 269I've never used OS-X so I have no idea what it's like, but from what I can ascertain, I'd be able to run it on my rig if I were to purchase a copy.

You wouldn't be able to run it. OSX is coded to only run on Apple hardware. There is a way to run OSX on non-Apple hardware but it involves hacks and runarounds to do so.

I read in a magazine that if your hardware is reasonably modern and your specs are decent, OS-X will run on a regular PC with a Bootcamp type program.  It was a while ago now and I'll have to look up the article again, but it said that the program performs all the necessary actions to run OS-X on a PC.

You can run OSX in a VM if you really want to try. But it's just another UNIX BSD version with an Apple GUI stuck on.

Yeah, I knew about that option, and it is a consideration.  However, an OS in VM cannot acces the full power of your hardware, so I'd not get the complete OS-X experience that way. I could always begin that way and investigate what's needed to run it on hardware as I go along.  In any event, I need to purchase an edition of OS-X to even begin... so first things first.

on Feb 25, 2013


 

 

  I (used to) follow a rather simple rule:  Upgrade every second operating system.  Luckily that meant I went from Windows 98 to Windows XP to Windows 7.

 

I happily was using windows 7, and made no attempt to follow the development of 8.  When the Surface was released, I bought one for my 10 year old daughter to use at school.  And she finds it very simple to use.  And it was my first exposure to Windows 8.

 

I still had no real intention of upgrading to 8 except two things happened.  One, they offered a rather cheap upgrade price.  I think it was 30 bucks.  I spent over 200 bucks for windows 7 ultimate.  Secondly, my daughter was learning how to use Windows 8 RT on the surface, and I thought it would be better for me to learn it as well.  And it was only 30 bucks.  Did I mention it was cheap?

 

Okay....the learning curve was immense.  I couldn't figure out how to turn off the computer.  I had to print an email and that was a good half hour of me swearing before I figured it out.  Other fun stuff.

 

I didn't really miss the start button, as I rarely used anyways.  I did buy the Start 8 program, but find I never actually use it.  However, I do have a rather large number of files I have to deal with, in many different folders.  Some of the files have the same name, and only the folder differentiates which one I need.  Searching was easier in 7 then 8.  When I type a search, I may get a dozen of the same file name, and not know which folder it is in.  I have to think and search for the folder instead.  (UPDATE:  if I hit Show More Results I get the old Windows 7 search results, showing folders) 

I have two monitors.  It bothers me that I the Metro stuff thinks it is full screen and only uses one monitor. 

Why cant the tiles be actual screens?  That way I can see all my multitasking at a glance and choose the window I want open.  Especially if I can leave that start screen open on my second monitor, while working on the other one. 

 

 

on Feb 25, 2013

You mean choose/select it on Screen1 & have it open on Screen2?  Sort of use Screen1 as your 'Start Menu'?

on Feb 25, 2013

Just got a laptop with Win8. Ugh. Am about ready to wipe the HD and rebuild it with Win7. Enough said.

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