Uh...you did know that McCain's campaign is run by a bunch of lobbyists, several of which were paid by Fannie Mae, right?

Your link is right, McCain has no room to point that particular finger, but have you ever read anything from me about McCain being some great candidate?  Nope.

To me this election is a wash, we are left with what we have.   I was waiting to see who McCain would choose as a running mate to see if there was any hope to salvage 2012.  He gave us that hope in Sarah Palin, but that only means McCain will get my vote, it doesn't mean he'll get my support.

Not sure what hope is there, she clearly has no foreign policy experience (seeing another country from your porch doesn't count, I'm sorry). And where's the difference between getting the vote but not support? Why vote for someone you don't support? I don't understand that.

All we have is the candidates on the table.  You can't sit there and tell me that you wont' support Palin for VP due to lack of experience, but you'll support Obama for president with no foreign policy experience either.  Over the next 4 years, Palin will get that experience.  If McCain dies while in office, then yes, she'll have to be ready to step up, but that is "if", if Obama is elected then we'll be stuck with an empty suit with a race card up his sleeve and a "for sale" sign on his back... and still no foreign policy experience.  In fact, no policy making experience at all.   You can belittle Palin's experience all you want, but in the end she has more than Obama.

But all that aside...  I've read the polices and issues of Obama.  They have nothing to do with "change" but everything to do with "throw money at it".   There is nothing about him that anyone should want in the Oval Office.  True, McCain isn't a prize himself, but between the two, I'll take the old geezer over the young know-nothing, do nothing who has no discernible ability to think for himself.

someone that gets it!

Edit button doesn't work, so I'll just answer the other question here....

The difference between voting for someone and supporting someone.  Supporting a candidate is getting out and helping with the campaign, contributing money, time and effort, talking to people about the issues of the candidate and otherwise helping them gain votes other than just my one.

Why vote for someone I don't support?  I am voting for someone I support.  The ticket is McCain/Palin.  Ok, I don't support half the ticket, but I do support the other half.  I don't support either half of the Democrat ticket at all.  I have read up on all the candidates that will be on the ballot in Wisconsin, and considered two of them when making my decision (Barr/Root and McCain/Palin).  We only get to vote for the names that are on the ballot, so it is a matter of who comes closest to what I consider important in a candidate, not who is everything I consider important.    McCain/Palin comes closest.

Of course, we'll see how the next few weeks go. 

Due to the system, which like a building that was beautiful for it's time when it was first built but is now choked with weeds and is an eyesore by comparison to the latest architectural possibilities, "stuck with" is the likely result of any US Presidential election.

I better not bitch without offering solutions, but they've been offered before.  Nevertheless....

First and foremost.  Congress has a far greater responsibility for what happens in the US than the President does.  And lobbying is also a  huge problem where special interests with large sums of cash become major shareholders in the people who make laws.  That all spells to me - term limits for Congressional members.  If anyone wanted some real change and didn't just want to quack all day about it, that's where real change would start - in my opinion.

Second.  And this one, I admit I have a hard time seeing how to implement, but we need a better way to pick our candidates.  Right now the only person in history that's ever come close to making a run for Pres that was independent was Ross Perot.  How did he do it?  Well, he was a billionaire, of course.  Being nominated for President is now directly tied into how much cash you can leverage to sell yourself for all the months you have to sell yourself.  Lots of those guys that drop out of the race are forced out because they aren't receiving enough funds to get their message out, so they cut their losses instead of racking up huge debt.  And the ones that get the money...you think they borrowed it?  Well yeah...borrowed it with promises to pay it back in support of this legislation or that legislation.  In other words, they have to sell their office to lobbyists to get support before they're even elected.  How to fix?  Well the first step is admitting that it's a huge problem.  Solution #1 above would fix some of it because lobbyists would know they'd only own their "boy/girl" for a finite period of time and if that "boy/girl" sold out, they would most certainly get turned over in a subsequent campaign.

Third.  Manage the damn media.  All media needs to be held accountable for the slanted BS they sling.  And they aren't doing it to be righteous...they're doing it to sell commercials, keep viewers tuned in, and to stir up hate and discontent.  If everyone in America stayed positive and got along with each other, what the hell would there be to report other than weather?  There are lots of lemmings in the world, and they are keeping the media business afloat.  Surf these forums for plenty of examples.  People opening their mouths to let garbage spew out that they didn't think of themselves...they got it from somewhere.  Trace where they got it from, and at the root, you'll find the media.

That's all for now...I must adjourn to work.

Be well.

P.S.  To all:  The sky is not falling.

No, I refuse to support Palin because of her anti-woman stance on issues that are very important to me (as a woman) and that she's so far right religiously and seems to let those beliefs influence her decision making, that is something I *cannot* and will not support.

See, you choose the same way I do then.  You look at the candidate's issues and decide based on who comes closest to your views.

Other than she doesn't support the bigoted idea that one human can own another, and therefore is free to kill it at will, I don't see how she is "anti woman" at all, maybe you can explain that one to me.

As far as her religious views influencing her decisions, that is a legitimate concern if you don't agree with her religion.  But remember, Barack Obama's religion is nothing but bigotry where "If God is not for us and against white people," writes Cone, "then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community."

So which scares religious influence scares you more?

Fourth: Take all the money out of elections: Corporate and private. All contributions would go to a single fund from which all candidates would be funded. The Supreme Court said this isn't kosher because it denies "free speech" (free bribes more like it) well, the simplest patch for that would be a simple public listing of all funds donated with one catch: no listing for whom and "telling" automatically results in confiscation and fines. It would also probably shorten "election season".

Does anyone realize that McCain and Obama have been collecting pay and benefits for being Senators while all they've done is run for another office (Hillary and the others to a slightly lesser extent). McCain started this campaign with election reform and when he said that, I perked up. That disappeared fast, didn't it?

Now then, as to the "do nothing and do less" Congress. If one party or the other lacks a sufficient majority, nothing gets done especially when there's a veto hanging which neither party can (or will) over ride. The system was designed this way. It was done (Senate = House of Lords) to put a limit on "pendulum swings". Unfortunately, Ideology of the current administration has prevented them doing anything due to the polarization the current administration has engendered and sponsored.

The future will be the same if one group tries to ram it's ideology and goals down the throat of the other and engage in name calling and vilification.

That's what I can see as wrong. There'll be others who see things differently. That's OK, and I'll fight to the death for your right to do just that. That's what all of us should be about: That and removing from power people who stifle or prevent that.

Amen to that, Brother...  Amen...

Oh yes, and the sky IS falling. Ask the uninsured and the homeless or soon to be homeless.

And PLEASE, would some code genius fix the &U%&$ edit button? Please?

I'm sure Palin feels the same way, but Obama has said "I join a church to worship God, not to worship a pastor" so that argument can be thrown at Palin too, whose church thinks they can "pray the gay away" and strike down an angry hand and destroy America...so that's really not a smart example to try to use.

As for her anti-woman stance, check this out.

Ahhhhh......There's me Starkers! I posted for you on the "Pirate" thread, boyo. Love them Aussie Pirates!

I agree with your post. The motivation for naming Palin seems rather thin and seedy to me...i.e. Obama didn't choose Hillary (a blunder in my eyes, but maybe he asked and she said, "Thanks but No Thanks" LOL) so he'd pick up some female votes if he did. Yuuuck. I doubt if it was because of her "Qualifications".

BTW has Zu infected your typing hand, Laddy?

Doc

Unfortunately Jafo....this is always the outcome. The peoples vote doesn't matter. Amd I've yet to see any candidate I'd invite into my home. None of them are worthy of running this country. And nothing against POW's...but simply being a POW does not in any way, shape or form qualify you to run a country...he just got caught...sucks to be him.

Palin is a no body...but hey...she's starting a new hair fad...and her stand against nature and the environment is appauling.

McCain is knockin on the pearly gates and contradicts himself all the time.

Obama...well...I think he just wants to be the first black muslim president...ain't that a kicker...aren't we fighting aginst these people? And they better start measuring him up for a body bag...there's already been one plot against him.

None of them has any experience in running a country...no one does...I don't care what they've done in the past or do in the present...its all on the job training with advisors and handlers telling you what to do. And they're experience with economics right off the bat is a joke...spending millions for a job that pay 400 thousand a year...so they're already in debt.

But the biggest problem in this country is apathy. When you see what either of these parties offers up for a candidate its sad....if this is the best they have offer why bother getting out of bed to vote. Just get a bunch of monkey's together and throw darts at a board and call me in the morning.

What we really need is a complete overhaul of government and for people to get they're collective heads out of the sand. I'd much rather see younger people in government that actually and realistically have a stake in the future with no ties to big oil or any other major corporations...just a plain old human being with no party affiliation...just common sense. And people need to  stop referring to them as Dem or Reps....there's no difference! A crook is a crook!

And no more voting yourself a raise!!!! You work for US! You want a raise...ask US! If this isn't the biggest joke I've ever seen I don't know what is.

Basically its all circling the bowl and soon you will hear the giant sucking sound as it all goes down the crapper. I say bring on the depression! Oh wait!....its already on its way!